RentACoder to vWorker – A vWorker Review

After a long yet healthy discussion with RentACoder officials today I got an email which really pleased me. RentACoder is now renamed as vWorker which stands for “virtual worker”

I will quote few things which I think was much needed changes for RentACoder

We outgrew our name (Rent a Coder) a few years ago. Back in 2001 we were just coders, but now the site includes professionals of all types including: design, writing, personal assistants, paralegals, etc.. To reflect that, we’ve changed our name to vWorker

Very True

Looking to save money and work more flexibly? We’ve introduced an entirely new method of payment called pay-for-time that lets you do both.

Sounds interesting and soon would love to give this a try.

Soon we will be rolling out a new virtualized environment (for higher reliability), site-wide IM and other features.

Would be interesting to see them.

If you still do not have an account with RentACoder vWorker, Go get it now.


Update September 27 2011 : Comments are closed for everyone. Yes I know there would have been last say by many but this is all I could do stop the argument. It is not leading to anything fruitful or to a solution. This is my personal blog after all and in my opinion Ian Ippolito (Owner of vWorker) stood this long to clarify things speaks for itself.

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  1. says

    Yes, They had proof. They showed the Link Exchange email as Proof for spamming. We sent this link exchange email only to relevant sites one time only. But still someone complained this as spam. I am NOT blaming my hosting for this action. They just implemented their “zero spam tolerance” policy. I still use hostgator for most of my other sites. (Even they revoked the ban within few hours, but I moved the site to other host within few minutes) But, What I am trying to say is, our site can be taken down due to many things. (Even hackcers did one time by doing malicious code injection). So, we should not listen threatening of anyone. e.g Threat from Ian/Alex for false DMCA complaint. Google may NOT be in this position if they listen to false complaints. If Alex/Ian has true copyright infringement complaint, Google should have taken down my site by this time. Because Google recently increased the speed of DMCA processing below 24 hours.

    So, obviously Alex/Ian did not do anything for filing the DMCA complaint with Google.

    Thanks,
    Raj

  2. says

    Shabbir, is there a policy on your blog about proper conduct by site users? Specifically are users allowed to insult, and make personal attacks against other users over, and over and over again without any reprecusions? Most sites do not allow this becuase it drowns out and discourages the majority of legitimate users who have come to discuss legitimate topics.

    Ian

    • says

      Hi Ian, as a general rule we do not allow any personal attack and I have read the comments about Raj and I though have objection on the word liar in his comments but did not react actively on it because I was sure he is just talking those about you just to make a point. The intent I can sense is to just leave links to his blog and nothing more. As an SEO person I know how important it is to get links.

      • says

        Shabbir,

        LOL Well I actually wasn’t talking about that single quote. I’m a big boy and can handle that. Raj only hates us this much because he was ejected from our site for violating copyrights. It’s actually a compliment. If we were awful, he really wouldn’t care. But our site works great and he was making good money. So that’s why he got so angry and now hates us so much. So that doesn’t bother me.

        This is what I was trying to say. Most blog owners want the discussion to be “real” and not just insult/negative keywords and links designed for a non-human (i.e. Google and trying to increase the rankings of his blog). Most feel that this drives away real users.

        But you said you’re fine with people doing this on your blog. So apparently that is not a concern for you. So from now on, every time I respond to Rajamanickam Antonimuthuis of Quality Point Solutions I’ll make sure to include the corresponding negative keywords about his violation of copyright law, unethical posting of his client’s mother’s cell phone number, the extortion email he sent and refusal to take responsibility. I’ll include a link to the arbitration where they can read more about it too: http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html

        ;)

        Ian

          • says

            Shabbir,

            Are you referring to nofollow? My understanding (as it was relayed to me) is that in the last major Google release they changed. Their public policy is still that nofollow doesn’t add any “Google juice”. However, SEO people noticed that what Google says and does are two different things. Sites that Google considers social media are still giving “google juice” despite no-follow. That’s why you’re seeing lots more spam on such sites these days.

            Ian

            • says

              Yes I know that Google says things liked by investors and does what it makes them more customers but then the recent update took into account the credibility of domains as well and so for those domains it (may) pass the link juice for nofollow links as well. Sites like FB and twitter but I don’t expect the same for any blogs.

        • says

          Ian,
          I didn’t get angry for terminating my vWorker account, instead I am Happy about it. It seems you missed to read my previous comment.
          And, my intention is to create awareness among the hard working coders to not waste their time and energy with vWorker arbitration.
          Initially I just started writing a post about my bad experience with vWorker to alert other coders. But, surprisingly it started giving earnings from affiliate programs of other freelance site. Note that I never got a single dollar from vWorker affiliate program even when I put lot of efforts to promote vWorker. (It seems already many people are aware of vworker) But other freelance affiliate program immediately started giving the returns. One more reason to avoid vWorker

          Thanks,
          Raj

            • says

              I am NOT doing affiliate marketing for vWorker now. But I did long back when I used to do projects thro’ vWorker. I did it for around 2 years. I haven’t got even single dollar from vWorker. But within few months I am getting some earnings from other freelance site. And, I and NOT expecting huge earnings from affiliate programs. Because our business model focuses on web development and web promotion services than doing affiliate marketing.

              Thanks,
              Raj

    • says

      Alex, why don’t you get it removed the other way round. Let me just help you with the process of what you should be doing.

      You have already contacted the author and as he is not removing the content and so the next step is to report that content DMCA to Google which would mean 2 things

      1. Adsense Account would be disabled if found non-compliance with DMCA
      2. Blogspot blog will be deleted.

      Just in case you want to be taking it to DMCA levels here are the links.

      http://www.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=lr_dmca&product=adsense
      http://www.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=lr_dmca&product=blogger

      And also Adsense DMCA complaint form – http://www.google.com/adsense/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=dmca_complaint

      I am sure Google can definitely get this done for you.

        • says

          Alex,
          Please do it as soon as possible.
          I am very eager to know how Google is handling your arguments. I too can learn from Google to know the ways for handling you people without wasting my time.

          vWorker may support your arguments.

          But, If Google is listening Foolish arguments, It may NOT be leading the Internet Tech industries.

          Thanks,
          Raj

        • says

          Alex,

          That is a brilliant idea by Shabbir to force Raj to remove your mother’s phone number from his blog. If you need any help doing it, we’ll be happy to file with Google on your behalf.

          Ian

          • says

            Alex,
            I too can help you file with Google. I am very much eager to know how Google is going to treat you and Ian for claiming rights for their own product “Google Map API”.

            Thanks,
            Raj

          • Alex says

            Hi Ian,

            I would be more than pleased if you could assist filing the report against Raj. I think its better coming from you/vworker. Let me know if you need any details.

            Thanks
            Alex

            • says

              Alex,

              You have to pay more than $100,000 if you file false complaint. Refer third para in
              http://www.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=lr_dmca&product=blogger

              You are trying to file false complaint.
              So, just check with Ian about how much he is going to share with you.
              I am NOT sure whether he will do it for you. Because he may face lot of questions from Google if he directly approaches Google. The reason is obvious. His vWorker is allowing lot of projects which abuse TOS of Google. (e.g lot of black Hat seo projects)

              I expect the amount will be more than $100,000 in your case. Because you people are trying to cheat Google itself by saying Google Map API is yours.

              Anyway, I am very eager to know the outcome. If you feel that you are talking truth, you should file the complaint immediately. I am very very eager to see how Google is treating you people.

              If you are NOT filing complaint within few days, let me know what I need to tell about you…..

              Thanks,
              Raj

              • says

                You are hilarious Raj. You must really be afraid of us posting this to Google if you would go to those lengths of “inventiveness” to discourage us. Sorry…it isn’t working.
                Ian

                • says

                  Ian,
                  Afraid of you??? ….Do you really believe so?

                  I just wanted to convey that you are going to make false complaint.

                  Please add any further comments ONLY after Google takes any action to take down my blog or adsense account.

                  Thanks,
                  Raj

                  • says

                    Even if someone is reporting my original work as copyrighted I would be afraid because I still need to prove my point.

                    Let me share with you one example. I have DBMS Multiple Choice question and first question as you can see is very general one and yet Brainbench claimed it to be copyrighted. I have the question online since 2004 but then also I proved them that this is exactly the same question taken from Knuth book (A leading DMBS book) and this was done because they warned me of DMCA Act.

                    If I were on your position I would prefer to remain away from DMCA. You could see that my question was noway related to any copyright still I tried explaining to the people that it is not copyrighted by Brainbench and it cannot be copyrighted by Brainbench.

                    I reacted this way because I have seen sites go offline because of DMCA majority of time. Probably you are not aware of the DMCA process. It could even happen that Google makes your site down and you may need to prove your point to be back again. I am not saying what you should be doing but it is wise to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

                    • says

                      Thanks for giving the details from your personal experience. I agree that it may happen to my blog /adsense account also even if I am NOT violating copyrights. But, still I am eager to see what is going to happen if Ian/Alex file complaint with Google. The impact of Google disabling my blog and Adsense account will be less, as we extended our business to wide area now. We are promoting more than 15 websites and many blogs too. So, losing one blog for few days won’t do any harm. Anyway, I already started moving the content from this blog to respective custom domain sites. For example, all Software testing and QTP related posts are moved to QTPBook.com and web development related posts are moved to LearnWebDevelopment.Info site.

                      Thanks,
                      Raj

                    • says

                      That would not help because once you have DMCA your hosts will close down any domains as well and so it does not matter if it is blogspot.com or not.

                      Also once you loose Adsense you may not get that back because Adsense is for individual and not for domains / url. Yes if you can have a new Payee name at new physical address, you can have new Adsense account as well.

                      Also if you are moving the posts out is fine but you would anyway loose the SEO for the blogspot domain anyway.

                    • says

                      I understand your point. And, I already faced similar issue. One of our hostings “hostagor” immediately removed one of our sites after a person (may be a competitor) complained about our link exchange email as “spam email”. But it didn’t affect me much. I immediately setup the site in another hosting using the backup code. And, even Google locked one of my blogspot.com blog due to unknown reason.

                      My main revenue source is, web development and web promotion. So, disabling adsense account don’t do much harm (but still it will impact to some extend. Anyway, I believe google won’t do it for any false complaint, otherwise everyone will be closing adsense accounts of others by giving false complaints)

                      Thanks,
                      Raj

                    • says

                      Raj, I am sure no one can get your site removed like that or else I would not work on getting my site better but instead get my competitor site’s removed. Probably they had actual proof of spamming the email address.

        • says

          Yes true. I also have lot of such issues come up but very few times had to go the DMCA route but when you get into it, Google is really helpful. The painful part is you have to do lot of paper work but it is worth it.

          Do let us know the final outcome.

        • says

          Ian,
          Did you get a chance to see my previous comment about showing list of arbitrations lost by Coders?

          If possible, show the list with amount they lost so that everyone can understand how much money the hard working Coders lose every year thro’ vWorker.com. Don’t try to give false data. I know how to find and prove your lies as I did previously by showing WayBack Machine proof.

          Since this post is about vWorker review, focus on answering questions about vWorker. If you still some details about how Coders are suffering in vWorker, you may read my blog post again.

          Thanks,
          Raj

  3. Alex says

    Raj,

    The very fact that you feel I should ask you to remove my family and friends confidential information from your website really demonstrates your ignorance and disregard for privacy and respect of your customers. Everytime you post something it simply astounds me what you write, as Ian has wrote before in response to some of your comments, you must be laughing whilst typing as you surely cannot be serious. The sad fact is, it seems very clear you actually believe your in a moral right of your actions and ludicrous comments. Your sarcasm of a thankyou is not welcomed, instead it should have been a sorry a long time ago and you should have just simply moved on. Instead with every comment made to you, you always come back with more BS, there is no end with it with you. I know this will be replied with something even more stupid but you just damage your name each time, so go ahead.

    Alex

    • says

      Alex,
      May I know when you asked me to remove only the phone number? Right from the beginning you were asking me to remove my Google Map API tutorial post.

      And, if you are serious about removing the phone number, why not just email me the details instead of arguing here. Or, you can publish the details here too. I will check this thread frequently.

      I know that you haven’t done any good thing for me with your intention. But, My “Thanks” is the real one. Because your activities helped me lot. It relieved me from all the headaches related to vWorker arbitrations, vworker fees, vworkers communication limitations , etc. Now i am enjoying freedom of doing projects for the direct customers without vWorker headaches. It helps our customers also.
      I was blindly following Vworkers’ statements about their Escrow. You only helped me to understand their false statements. From your project only I understand that vWorker will get back the money released from the Escrow. i-e you project proved that having direct relationship with customers is much more safer than vworker.

      And, based on my personal experience, my direct customers are much more reliable than the vworker escrow.

      After doing your project only I started thinking like below.

      - vWorker is helping to get projects and doing escrow.
      - your arbitration proved that vWorker Escrow is NOT safe.
      - Now the only benefit of using vWorker is, getting projects.
      - So, just for getting projects we have to spend heavy fees and lot of headaches for receiving the money and for participating in inefficient arbitration.
      - And, finally decided that instead of spending money for giving vworker fees we can spend the same amount for doing PPC ads and social media promotions to get projects which are more profitable than vWorker.

      Thanks,
      Raj

        • says

          Yes, it was removed long back even before making the comment on April 27th. That’s what I am telling as Ian’s lie by showing the wayback machine proof.

          And, since I already removed from from my blog post, I am asking Alex to send the details (e.g URL) where he is still seeing the number. Instead of sending the details Alex is talking useless things.

          • Alex says

            I see Raj has now taken down the offenive code which technically got him banned. I still see the phone number here though: http://qualitypointtech.net/demo/googlemap/simplemap_multiplemarker.php

            Incidentally, I was just going through my old emails with Raj to see if I could find any other links and came across his origional email to me which made me kick this whole process off: (Please note in the text below you can see this has been digitally signed by Gmail as coming from Raj’s Gmail account, I did provide screenshot to VWroker before)

            from [Offline] Rajamanickam Antonimuthu rajamanickam.a@gmail.com
            to [Available] Alex
            date Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:54 PM
            subject Mobile tracker.
            mailed-by gmail.com
            signed-by gmail.com

            Alex,

            It looks like you are cheating guy.
            I know how to handle the Cheating guys.
            I am not a fool to spend my time in mediation process.
            I don’t care whether you are going to release the payment or not.
            You can watch our blog to read our announcement about mobile tracker release in few days.

            Thanks,
            Raj

            I’m glad Raj messed up by placing my mothers number within the code Raj origionally posted on his blog, as it proved that this was the code Raj was employed to write for me. I had to complain on the copyright technicality to have action taken against him as external from the vworker site communications (the above) would not be taken into account.

            Although I know the remaining code on his blog was written in the man hours that I paid for, the remaining code is so simple I can’t see it worth while going ahead to google to prove this was mine. It all so petty. I’m so please VWorker stuck up for me and banned him, although to do this I had to make sure Raj got all of the money, so I had ownership of the code. The code was useless in the end for me, due to Raj’s threats, so I never proceeded launching the site but I feel it was worth paying that money to protect others from Raj.

            I think this is all im going to say on the matter, no matter what comments Raj comes back with again, he’s a joke and never stops with writing twisted and incorrect comments.

            Best of luck to both future employers and workers. I’ve seen both sides of this coin and see that generally things normally work good. I would be interesting to know from VWorker how many successful projects without arbitrations have been completed compared to the rest of the projects that had arbitration, successful or not. This would be a good guide for both employers and employees.

            Best wishes
            Alex

            • says

              Alex,
              What you are trying to say? You mean to say that I wanted to release our own product even after you released the payment?

              I don’t see any name-phone number look up at
              http://qualitypointtech.net/demo/googlemap/simplemap_multiplemarker.php
              So, I am NOT going to change anything there.

              Don’t repeat Ian’s lie by saying like “I see Raj has now taken down the offenive code”. Refer my previous comment at http://imtips.co/rentacoder-to-vworker-vworker-review.html#comment-15576

              I don’t like your statement “he’s a joke and never stops with writing twisted and incorrect comments.”
              If you think as “joke”, you need NOT do any reply.

              And, Can you give the details about my incorrect comments?

              Have you reported Google about copyright infringement? I am really very eager to know how Google is treating you for claiming copyright for their own product.

              Thanks,
              Raj

      • Markis Gardner says

        Rajamanickam,
        I am so tired of reading your comments. Let me just say these last things…

        1) NO ONE should have to ask you to get rid of phone numbers of their family. They should not have been in your code in the first place. You should NEVER put confidential information online IF it is NOT your own. If you want to put your own phone number, that is fine, but you should ask permission before posting someone else’s personal information. I remember from the VERY beginning he talked about that – so he shouldn’t have to give you details AGAIN. Just look at the code and you will see it. He even mentions it in one of his postings. I can’t believe that you, as a coder, would do such a thing.
        2) I believe that the issue is, in your tutorial, you used his code! You cannot do that!
        3) Be a professional – stop posting on this form. You are losing credibility every time you say something which is so off the wall.

        So, please just accept you made a MISTAKE and move on. LEARN from your mistake and NEVER do it again. That will show professionalism MUCH more than trying to argue something that is CLEARLY your fault.

        Now a message to Shabbir.

        Shabbir, this flow has gotten out of hand. Anyway to close it or move it to its own page, because it is not conductive to the page at hand.

        Thank you,
        Markis

        • says

          1. First understand it clearly. I am NOT asking Alex to request me to remove his phone number. But I am asked him the details (URL) to help me to know where it is still showing up even after I removed from Google map API tutorial post long back.

          2. How do you know that it is his code? I have created the post by referring Google Map API documentation. You mean to say that Alex owns Google?
          3. Why I should stop posting while the Liar Ian and his supporter Alex are still trying to ruin our reputation by giving false details.

          Thanks,
          Raj

  4. Alexdw1 says

    You can still just about see my mothers number on Raj’s website it was not brushed out properly. My poor mother! Just another example of sloppy work from Raj.

    Alex

    • says

      Alex,
      Please NOTE that you were asking me to remove the Google Map API Tutorial post itself instead of asking to remove the phone number. I think you understand the difference.
      If you are asking me to remove the phone number I can do it happily. I think you know my email id, you can contact me with the details about where you are seeing the phone number.

      And, as I explained earlier, I think there won’t be any solid connection between name and number in the demo.
      Anyway, if you send me email with details, I can look into it. Anyway, I don’t believe you are worrying about your privacy. Because you are person who allowed Ian to publicly publish our arbitration details without thinking about your privacy.

      And, I want to thank for your great help. Because you helped me to come out of vWorker. I had done more than 100 projects thro’ vWorker. But I haven’t seen any progress/growth. But once after coming out of vWorker, we got lot of direct clients and they are very much satisfied with our work. Apart from Development work we have extended our operations to do SEO tasks. (Refer http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2011/09/do-you-want-to-promote-your-website-or.html ). Even we do website and Script sales thro’ market place. And, we do lot of oscommerce related projects which need to have access to credit card details of customers. I just wanted to tell these things to show the Trust of clients after I come out of vWorker. I can strongly say that It is NOT possible to achieve this success if we continue work thro’ vWorker. Even you also sent your server details to my email id instead of sending it thro’ vworker due to safety reason. I believe you remember those things. I agree that we may have some disputes while doing work, but both agree that vWorker is NOT safe to share confidential information.
      Thanks,
      Raj

  5. Markis Gardner says

    I find it humorous when I read people’s articles saying they lost arbitration because of a “small” error.
    1) “small” is relative. “Oh we killed JUST a small number of civilians during our attack”. Here small is not so small. You the coder are not the judge and jury as to what SMALL is.
    2) It is your job to “talk” with employer and work out ANY/ALL questions
    3) Make sure there is plenty of time to do your work plus add some padding for unanticipated problems.

    I have used vworker for YEARS and I love their service. They offer great service for BOTH employer and employee. But, don’t be looking for someone else to blame for your own mistakes.

    Thanks!
    Markis

    • Frustrated Freelancer says

      Rubbish, that’s cos you’re a buyer, vw even now tells buyer’s to expect potential delays on any job but then immediately use that against workers in arbitration anyway. If you’re a worker, wait till you lose major bucks there, you’ll sing a different tune.

      • says

        Anonomous Frustrated Freelancer,

        That is a very funny assertion to make (again). I already posted up the link above to you where you can view hundreds of workers who have NEVER lost an arbitration. The link got an extra space injected into it by the site, so I’ll try it again here:

        http://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/misc/Lists/ArbitrationWonBy_Coder.asp

        You can also see the latest victors in arbitration and see many, many workers who are winning:
        http://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/misc/Lists/ArbitrationWonBy_Coder.asp

        So obviously what you’re saying is not accurate…so why continue to repeat it?

        I know you are upset with your individual abitration. Fine. But to extend it to every worker? That so far a stretch that you are going to give yourself a pulled muscle! :) Come on!

        I am sorry you refused to allow your arbitration to be reviewed as well as published to the public so it can be discussed transparently and openly. If you change your mind in the future, let me know.

        Ian

          • says

            Ian,
            I have just gone thro’ your list of “arbitrations won by Coders”
            I did some detailed analysis about this list by going thro’ arbitration result summary of each arbitration.

            The shocking Truth is, almost in all arbitrations the funds are returned to the Employer/buyer. That means the arbitraion is NOT really won by the Seller/Employee.
            Anyone can check this Truth by going thro’ the profile of the Employers involved in these arbitrations.

            Thanks,
            Raj

            • says

              Rajamanickam Antonimuthu of QualityPoint Technologies,

              LOL That’s a very “interesting” conclusion to draw from data showing the exact opposite. But considering you:

              1) Exposed your employer’s mother’s phone # publicly on your blog and refused to take it down.
              2) Blackmailed your employer via email with publishing his copyrighted code publicly if he didn’t agree to your terms.
              3) Followed up on it by doing it: which violated both copyright law and ethics

              It does not surprise me. You have been permanently ejected from vWorker. You may not come back again, ever.

              Ian

              Full details on your additional misdeeds are at: http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html

            • says

              I make slightly different conclusion out of those numbers. Actually vWorker is free to join and start getting freelancing work and this means many college students start using vworker to earn extra pocket money. I used to do it that way at least. I was a member of Elance but unless I took freelancing on a full time I never paid their monthly fees to be honest.

              So this actually means that vWorker Developers are less professionals when it comes to handling those type of issues and so they loose more when it comes to arbitration.

              • says

                Yes, It is True that we need NOT pay monthly fees in vWorker. This is the cunning approach followed by vWorker for still getting Coders to be cheated. (If you consider the highest fees of vWorker, monthly fees may be better)
                I am NOT sure what do you mean by saying “vWorker Developers are less professionals”
                If you mean, the wWorker developers are NOT having sufficient knowledge to handle the rude vWorker arbitration, then it is better for them to avoid vWorker.

                Or, if you mean, “vWorker Developers are less professionals.” , I don’t agree with it. I used to see lot of professional Coders there. May be, they might have walked away from vWorker due to bad experience with vWorker arbitrations.

                • says

                  vWorker monthly fees? Not sure I get your words.

                  By vWorker developers are less professionals I meant they are mainly freshers. I hope you understand the industry terminologies of professionals, experienced and freshers. If not let me know and I will guide you about the industry standards.

                  Yes I agree there are lot of pro people but I must say there are lot more freshers. I myself have used vWorker when I was in college and fresher and if I remember correctly I never had a single arbitration or may be 1 and probably I won as well. For Elance I have delivered $17k projects with not even a single arbitration. This speaks for itself. Why do you need a third party to get things rectified if you understand what your client needs to do and you know how to get it done.

                  • says

                    Shabbir,
                    The fact is, the coders are NOT having full control to avoid arbitrations. Because, most of the time artbitrations will be started by the Employers/Buyers.

                    • Markis Gardner says

                      Rajamanickam,
                      Of all the stupid things you say!!!! Come on, show some intelligence!!!! OF COURSE MOST arbitrations are started by the employers/Buyers!!! That is COMMON SENSE!!!! Workers do the work. Employers Check work. Workers SHOULD HAVE checked the COMPLETE specs BEFORE starting (this is a problem with most coders), so after that, there really is not much left for the employer to do. So, how can you find fault with that?
                      So, ALL the problems should lie with the coder. So, it is up to the good coders to make sure there are no problems.

                      Come on. Quit chatting on this site and go away. You are talking gibberish now.

        • Frustrated Freelancer says

          Good idea – I just might go public with my arbitrations though I have absolutely no time to resurrect them right now. I had vowed but forgotten to do that someday when I don’t care to use vw anymore – besides I still think you guys would eventually spitefully close my account if done now – your passive aggressiveness isn’t very convincing. Maybe that way I can get paid for lost work – won’t hold my breath though.

          • says

            Frustrated Freelancer,

            Actually, going public will not take you any time whatsoever and allows all of us to discuss it freely, openly and transparently. We are the ones who have to spend all the time necessary to get the permission from the other party, remove any confidential information (such as passwords), enable the public to see it, summarize it and then take the time to conduct the review.

            And you don’t have to worry about your account being closed out of spite because its all conducted in public. We can’t secretly close your account…you could easily just expose what we were doing in the public forum.

            The only way it could backfire and work out against you is if you really did deserve to lose. If that is your case, then it can make you publicly look very foolish (where before you may have only looked privately very foolish).

            But I’ve heard you insist over this is not the case. If so, then there really is no valid reason to NOT do it.

            Ian

            • says

              Ian,
              You mean to say that you will make the arbitration details public ONLY AFTER getting permission from BOTH parties?
              Have your asked my permission to publish my arbitration details public? I didn’t remember exactly. Can you tell me the date when you got my permission so that I can check it by referring by previous emails?
              And, the other things pending from you are,
              - Apology for telling lie ( I proved your lie by showing wayback machine link)
              - List of Arbitrations Lost of by the Workers.

              - Status of your DMCA (False) Complaint against my blog. (Google says they will address any DMCA complaint within 24 hours)

              I may not add any further comments till you address all above things.

              Thanks,
              Raj

              • says

                Rajamanickam Antonimuthu of QualityPoint Technologies,

                No I didn’t mean that at all. :) Your contract states, if you post false or misleading information about us, we can make it public without your permission.

                I’m sorry we were forced to eject you from vWorker. But you committed serious fraud. You posted the employer’s mother’s confidental cell phone # on your blog (and refused to take it down). You blackmailed him by threating to post his code public if he did not bow to your demands. And then you followed up by doing that which is in violation of both copyright law and just common ethics.

                You cannot be let back on the site, ever again.

                Ian

                http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html

            • Frustrated Freelancer says

              Again, passive aggressive. I offer to go public when I have time for the headache and you call me foolish- perhaps you are the foolish one to be name calling in your pr efforts. BTW is this really Ian, I doubt you have enough time so much blog commenting.

              On a different note since you guys are commenting, has Vw been sued for any of this in the past ?? We are curious.

    • says

      Markis,

      LOL! Your postings are great and always put things into perspective. :)

      Yes sometimes that kind of behavior reminds me of that show Judge Judy. She will get the strangest people on that show who will swear up and down on their innocence. Then she catches them in a lie. And you think “oh they will have to admit it now” to keep their dignity, but they don’t. Instead, they try to say it’s a “small thing” (or try more lies). Then judge judy has to throw down a huge angry speech at how awful they are. Of course the audience and the cameras love watching them get their due.

      I wonder why some people aren’t smarter. :)

      Anyway, thanks for suggesting the new feature to filter on ratings and such, and I’m glad we were able to get that for you!! Stay tuned as we are working on some of the crowdsourcing features we talked about…that will be very useful in qualifying new workers! Also, we are working on something new called hybrid-sourcing that no one else has yet…I think it will also be very powerful for you.

      All the best,
      Ian

    • says

      Rajamanickam,

      LOL well that was very, very,very quick of you to respond. :) Let’s see if “frustrated freelancer” actually responds with a unique account to show us he is someone else. If he doesn’t, we will know he was really you (pretending to be him).

      We conducted a thorough review of your arbitration and made it public so it can be discussed openly and publicly: http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html

      Unfortunately we verified that you did indeed violate the employer’s copyright by posting the code he paid for on your blog (and also posting his mother’s cell phone number there as well). For this reason you lost the arbitration. And since you refused to admit what you did and agree to not do it in the future, you lost your account. All of this was done correctly and as a result, it cannot be changed (even if you choose to write innaccurate things about your experience to try to influence us to). If we did that, it would be unfair to the vicitimized party, who justly won.

      I hope you decide to stop violating copyright law and perhaps this will be the beginning of new start for you and when you work with one of our many competitors in the future you will not find yourself in this same situation. Rajamanickam / QualityPoint, I wish you better luck there.

      Ian

      P.S. Moderator, could you please check if Rajamanickam is the same person as “Frustrated Freelancer” from his ip address? Hopefully that is not him. But if so, what is site policy on people who use multiple accounts to pretend to be people they are not?

      • says

        Ian,

        What I am saying is, there is NO meaning in arguing with a Liar. Why do you need to talk about copyright instead of telling the reason for telling lies?

        I can answer for your statement. But I don’t want to argue further till you promise me to talk only truth after asking apology publicly for you lies. (I proved you as liar clearly by showing wayback machine proof thro’ this thread on May 2nd itself). And, till now you haven’t either denied the proof or asked apology after seeing the proof. ( You can not deny the proof, because it is very clearly showing your Lies).

        I was surprised by your logical thinking. Refer

        “Let’s see if “frustrated freelancer” actually responds with a unique account to show us he is someone else. If he doesn’t, we will know he was really you (pretending to be him).”

        What a great logic to find whether myself and “frustrated freelancer” are same!!! It seems you exceed your arbitrators. If you are really NOT able to understand why I am praising your logical thinking, I can give you my detailed explanation with examples (But only after getting apology from you for your lies)

        Thanks,
        Rajamanickam

        • says

          Thanks Shabbir

          That’s good to hear. After we were hit with that trick last time (6 “users” who all ended up being the same person) I am a little parnoid. I am glad that wasn’t the case here. Sorry for taking up your time with this and thanks again.

          Ian

  6. Frustrated Freelancer says

    Yes but google for vworker/rentacoder scam or sucks and just see all the many fascinating hits and stories. Ian is biased and doing pr mainly – of course he’ll support his site, come on. I challenge you and anyone to use the site as a *WORKER if you truly want to know – Do not take anyones word for it – especially the site owners, make sense ?

    Not all bad but fraught with problems.

    • says

      Dear anonomous poster,

      It is very curious that you ignore this entirely. I’ll assume that best that perhaps you didn’t see it and and repost it again:

      If we truly made a mistake on your arbitration then we will correct it, and I will also publicly apologize to you for any and all mistakes here on this forum.

      On the other hand, if you fairly lost the arbitration and this is a case of you deliberately spreading misleading or incorrect information (for whatever reason), then we cannot, in good conscience, change the result of your arbitration, because it would be unfair to the other party who legitimately won it.

      To begin the process, please tell me your screen name or the project Id. We will then begin by publishing every detail of your project, the work you did on it and the arbitration publicly to this board (and the entire internet) so this can be discussed transparently and openly.

      Ian

      • Frustrated Freelancer says

        Nice cut and paste bud, you want “sue me for Libel” (remember your favorite former words), cancel my account, thanks.

        Vworker has *numerous complaints on bbb.org, amplicate.com, ripoffreport.com, complaintsboard.com etc etc, why ?- where there’s smoke there’s fire. Hope you’re not paying shab for this thread -jk (maybe?).

        At least they’re not threatening lawsuits and are trying some pr unlike before but Ian if you haven’t you will get sued or worse if your site doesn’t change more that just it’s name , friendly suggestion. Good luck.

          • says

            Anonomous poster,

            Wow, now you accuse the owner of this blog of being paid…just because he doesn’t jump behind you and support you enthusiastically (when you make accusations but won’t even allow the arbitration to be posted publicly to be discussed).

            And I supposedly am the one who is making enemies all over the place? Hmmm… :)

            Ian

        • says

          Dear anonomous,

          There is a whole blog devoted to people whose arbitrations have been made public (http://arbitration.vworker.com/). Look in the public records: none of them have been sued. So that reason for not making your arbitration public doesn’t make sense.

          What’s the real reason you are afraid of having your arbitration shown to the public?

          We can’t force you to be transparent, honest and open. If you ever change your mind, the offer is still open.

          Ian

          • Frustrated Freelancer says

            Bahh, I decline your offer. Ian you’ve *literally* been having this *exact same argument your workers for over 7 years now and refuse to change anything. Just get your pro-buyer arbitrators and process on line, they’re ridiculous.

            • says

              Frustrated freelancer,

              I’m sorry you are unwilling to have your arbitration reviewed, nor allow the public to see what happened in it, nor allow it to be discussed openly and transparently. If you change your mind let us know.

              Ian

  7. Frustrated Freelancer says

    Shab, it totally depends on who you ask – buyers get a refund almost 100% of the time if they even sneeze slightly about minor errors because they bring money to vworker, workers are expendable. You’ll notice for instance NONE of the buyers here are complaining naturally, only workers. Potential safe haven for bad buyers – potential nightmare for coders. Although some people are making a living there apparently, NO similar site is SO one sided for buyers – I’m on all of them.

    Shab, do some googling you’ll find online several posts of Ian and his clones threatening to sue freelancers and few buyers for criticizing vworker( then rentacoder). With the name change they stopped doing such but much is still the same. Ian get your crap together and be fair, how many enemies you really want ???

    • says

      Hi, there are two sides of every coin. People love Google but there are webmasters who don’t and you cannot have a system where you can satisfy everybody all of the time but yes I guess if they are taking right steps is what comforts me.

      You could see Ian responding to comments here in this post as well as in an article here which speaks for itself. So I think yes difference of opinion would always be there. Like I don’t use vWorker for getting jobs but use Elance but definitely use vWorker to get lot of tasks done.

      • says

        Shabbir,

        Thanks and we extended the same offer to that person that we do to everyone: if we made a mistake we will fix his arbitration and I will apologize publicly to him here. On the other hand if he’s deliberately spreading misleading or incorrect information then the result will stand, because changing it would not be fair to the party that justly won. Either way his arbitration will be posted publicly and transparently so everyone can discuss it openly and freely.

        Ian

    • says

      Dear anonomous poster,

      I’ll answer your questions, but first let me say that I’m sorry to hear you are so disgruntled with us. If we truly made a mistake on your arbitration then we will correct it, and I will also publicly apologize to you for any and all mistakes here on this forum.

      On the other hand, if you fairly lost the arbitration and this is a case of you deliberately spreading misleading or incorrect information (for whatever reason), then we cannot, in good conscience, change the result of your arbitration, because it would be unfair to the other party who legitimately won it.

      To begin the process, please tell me your screen name or the project Id. We will then begin by publishing every detail of your project, the work you did on it and the arbitration publicly to this board (and the entire internet) so this can be discussed transparently and openly.

      >>buyers get a refund almost 100% of the time if they even sneeze slightly about minor errors because they bring money to vworke

      LOL This is so untrue I have no idea how you could make a statement like this with a straight face. :) Here is the list of the last 150 workers who won arbitrations:

      http://www.RentACoder.com/RentACoder/misc/Lists/ArbitrationWonBy _Coder.asp

      Here is a list of another 100+ coders who have been in at least 2 arbitrations and NEVER lost an arbitration to a buyer.

      Remember, just because one person loses an arbitration, doesn’t mean every worker on the whole site loses their arbitrations too.

      >>You’ll notice for instance NONE of the buyers here are complaining naturally, only workers.

      Uh, this is a blog for FREELANCERS. Buyers are not freelancers. So why would you expect them to be on this site at all? This is pretty obvious “frustrated freelancer”. :)

      Ian

  8. thebigapp says

    I am looking to post a project on one of the freelance websites and stumbled upon this article while researching vWorker.
    Thank you, Shabbir this has been very useful.

    These comments have opened my eyes to the potential problems with workers, payments, ‘facilitators’ and ‘artibtrators.
    They have allowed me to gauge the general level of satisfaction of workers and employers and, more importantly, the tone of the company itself.
    The fact that Ian would take the time to address complaints in such a thoughtful and extremely professional manner speaks volumns for the company. Well done Ian.

    Your very polite and rational comments lead me to believe that the reputation of vWorkers is truely worth defending.
    I will be posting my first project on your site shortly and, fingers crossed, many more to come.

  9. says

    I’m sure the owner of this blog (and other users on it) appreciate you following netiquette like that. Thanks. I didn’t get an email with an actual response but will reply once I receive it.

    Ian

    • says

      I didn’t send email. But below message in previous thread.

      Ian,
      Ok. I understand your point. We can continue the discussion at http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2010/10/reasons-for-avoiding-use-of-vworkercom.html
      Because you have removed my reply to your comments during my previous discussion in your blog. And you had mentioned as “Your postings are not welcome on the site…. This posting and all future postings from you are going to be deleted.” Refer the comment section at http://blog.vworker.com/2011/03/workers-please-beware-of-attempted-scam.html (I have stored google cache, so don’t delete your own comments to hide your faults)

      Why I should discuss in your blog when you are ready to delete it?

      Thanks,
      Raj

      • says

        Once you use an email address which has an approved comments your comment goes live instantly but if you use different email each time I have to approve your comment before it goes live and so you could not see your comments. Now all of the pending comments are approved.

    • says

      P.S. I think there may be a small bug in the site. Every once in a while if you click on “reply” on the last thread item, it posts it a new thread (like it just did). However, now that our thread is further up on the blog, we can reply on it and avoid that bug.
      Ian

  10. says

    Rajamanickam/ Qualitypoint,

    I’m not the admin of this blog, but I noticed that rather than following netiquette and responding in your thread, you are creating a new thread each time. I’m going to reply in your thread, and encourage you to do the same, so we can both keep the owner of the site happy and be allowed to continue this conversation. If you monopolize the comments and drown out other legitimate users, there is a chance he might stop this conversation.

    >>He never asked to remove the number alone.

    LOL! That gave me a belly laugh! Everyone can read that he asked you to remove BOTH his mother’s cell phone number AND the code you stole and reposted. So your defense is that because he asked for both rather than just one, he didn’t want the one done! Wow, I can’t say anything more than the volumes it already speaks on its own. :)

    >>If he cares, he should ask you to remove your blog post, not mine. Let me see how he reacts

    Actually, everyone can already see at http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html that the employer already asked you to remove it (and of course you refused to). AND in our blog screenshots we actually took pains to NOT disclose his mother’s cell phone #, but instead obscured the middle digits. But unfortunately, the damage had already been done by you at this point: his mother’s cell phone # was already put out publicly on your blog…so nothing we could do could repair that. Who knows how much phone “spam” she’s gotten because of you (and paid for, since it’s a cell phone)?

    >>I may publish the unedited version of arbitration details including the post messages.

    The only thing edited was the confidential information (his mother’s cell phone number, his passwords, his intelletcutal property etc). If you choose to post that type of information out of revenge, you are just shooting yourself in the foot. That would be just further victimizing the employer and also proving that you have no regard for copyright, intellectual property, security or ethics…and that we were 100% correct in making you lose the arbitration as well as closing your account to protect other users from you.

    Rajamanickam, I was really hoping you might learn from this and go onto a succesful career with a competitor. But you seem dedicated to self-destroying yourself to make even that unlikely. I really hope you take some time to reconsider and create a positive future for yourself rather than destroying it.

    Ian Ippolito

    • says

      Rajaminakam, the key to replying properly on this blog is to click on “reply” (which replies in the thread), rather than typing your response directly at the bottom (which creates a new thread). I just tested it here..it works every time.
      Ian

    • Alex says

      Hi Ian,

      My name is Alex who employed Raj for the project in question. I would just like to say public thankyou to you and VWorker for paying serious attention to Ramanickams actions and behaviours. I’m glad he has made his ludicrous comments here for all to see, these are just a snippet of communications and threats that had stressed me for a long time. Ian, I also wondered if he were laughing at me on many occasions. I’m glad I had the dedication to see the arbitration through, it was tough, as Rajamanickam never seemed to get the point. I would just like to note on this blog for other to know, the arbitration started as Rajamanickam had threatened (offsite) to release the revenue generating website himself which I had employed him to create if I did not release funds in escrow before he completed his work defined in the specifications. Under this threat I paid immediately and i’m glad that Rajamanickam made the mistake of releasing portions of the code I paid for and the fact he would not take it down so appropriate action could be taken against him by VWorker.

      Ian on a side note: I now understand the importance of keeping all communications though the VWorker website. I would like to suggest if your company could implement something like a facebook chat in your website the thought of offsite communications would be highly reduced i’m sure and could also be a slight edge over the competition.

      I’m sure Rajamanickam will come back with more ludicrous comments and I urge you just to ignore him, as he just wont stop and he will never get it. He is on my SPAM list now.

      Best of luck in the business, it’s a great site, it’s certainly very successful and I wish I had the idea in the first place but then again, where would I have got the coders to write it for me!? :)

      BR//
      Alex

      • says

        Alex,
        Well.
        Regarding your question “where would I have got the coders to write it for me!? “, your vWorker profile https://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/DotNet/SoftwareBuyers/ShowBuyerInfo.aspx?lngAuthorId=6893551&Tab=1 clearly tells the answer as “it is NOT vWorker.com”. Because, as per your profile, you haven’t used the vWorker.com from last year October after the Arbitration.

        You are telling the same thing what I am trying to tell to the entire freelance community including the Employers.
        i-e Inefficient vWorker.com arbitration will force the unpaid employees to increase the competition for the Employers.

        Thanks for reinforcing it by saying from Employer point of view. If possible, please tell the same thing in my blog also at http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2010/10/reasons-for-avoiding-use-of-vworkercom.html

        And, again thanks for telling the truth that I am very much particular about getting paid for the hard work done by our Team. It really helps me to pay our Team irrespective of the mistakes done by vWorker.com and/or Employers. And, by avoiding the time/money loss made by irresponsible Employers, we can cost-effectively work for our Genuine Customers.

        Thanks,
        Rajamanickam

      • says

        Alex, you are very welcome. vWorker exists for the purpose of protecting rule-abiding people from those who would like to cheat them (like Rajamanickam / QualityPoint).

        >> I’m glad he has made his ludicrous comments here for all to see, these are just a snippet of communications and threats that had stressed me for a long time.

        I feel sorry for you. It is a shame you communicated with him offsite and we could not take those communications (where he allegedly threatened you) into account in the arbitration. Now you know: communicate on site and then we can fully protect you 100%.

        >>Ian on a side note: I now understand the importance of keeping all communications though the VWorker website.

        Yes, exactly. If Rajamanickam had threatened you on-site, he would have lost the arbitration in the first few seconds just for that (since it’s inapprporiate behavior): rather than it taking longer for us to investigate, compare the copyrighted code that he stole, verify he copied your mother’s confidential cell phone #, etc..

        >> I would like to suggest if your company could implement something like a facebook chat in your website the thought of offsite communications would be highly reduced i’m sure and could also be a slight edge over the competition.

        Actually, we already have that (the sitewide IM system works exactly like facebook chat). So now you can stay completely on-site and avoid situations like this entirely in the future.

        >>Best of luck in the business, it’s a great site, it’s certainly very successful

        Thanks!

        Ian

        Ian

  11. says

    Ian,
    I had sent an email to the buyer explaining all these discussions.
    If he really cares about his privacy, he will contact you for taking down your blog post.
    If he doesn’t care, you can not hide your faults just by diverting the discussion about his mother’s phone number.

    i-e In any case you need not discuss about it further.

    Only thing is, you have to train your arbitrators for improving their performance so that no other employers/workers are affected in future.

      • says

        Ian,
        Ok. I understand your point. We can continue the discussion at http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2010/10/reasons-for-avoiding-use-of-vworkercom.html
        Because you have removed my reply to your comments during my previous discussion in your blog. And you had mentioned as “Your postings are not welcome on the site…. This posting and all future postings from you are going to be deleted.” Refer the comment section at http://blog.vworker.com/2011/03/workers-please-beware-of-attempted-scam.html (I have stored google cache, so don’t delete your own comments to hide your faults)

        Why I should discuss in your blog when you are ready to delete it?

        Thanks,
        Raj

        • says

          Rajamanickam,

          Every time you write to me these days, I feel like you must be laughing as you type on your keys. Sometimes it’s hard for me to believe that you yourself believe what you are saying. For example here are a few facts that make it hard for me to believe that you are not joking as you write:

          1) We would have loved to have had a real discussion on your blog in the first place. But the whole reason we had to go through all the work and hassle to create our blog, is because you only approved one of our responses and censored all the rest. And several other people wrote to us and said they tried to post on your blog, and were censored as well. So we were forced to go through the work of creating our own open blog. So it is very funny for you to invite us to discuss openly on your own blog.

          2) The quote above where you were told you wer not allowed to post any more was for *that* blog (which is not the same as the blog discussing your arbitration). Yes you are now banned from posting on that blog due to not following instructions. The reason is that you were cluttering up the conversation for people who wanted to discuss other things, by posting your offtopic comment (and you’d been warned once to post in the proper place for it, but you chose to ignore it). The proper place (which you can still comment on, as we can see, and which you know becuase you *have* commented on it, is at:
          http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html.

          3) If you decide to continue to break blog rules on the proper blog: http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html then of course you will be cutoff at that point from posting there as well. Please understand that we do have a duty to protect other site users from abusive, inappropriate, or unprofessional users and will continue to perform that duty.

          Ian

          • says

            See, I haven’t censored any posts in my blog. Today only I checked the SPAM section and found few comments from your team, and approved those comments.
            I have done some analysis about why Google has marked them as SPAM. Based on my analysis, the same comment is placed by your team in many web sites. That may be reason. Anyway, I have approved them.

            What do you want to discuss? We can discuss here itself as it is a common place.

            • says

              Rajamanickam Antonimuthu / QualityPoint,

              I’d would really, really like to believe you. However, only one of those postings had any content that could be considered coming from elsewhere (and falsely marked as spam). So that still doesn’t explain all the rest of them. And you still haven’t approved my posting, nor the postings that 2 other people told me they posted on your board. I’m sorry, but you’re not truly embracing openness and transparency.

              So if you want to talk, you can discuss it on:
              http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html

              I would recommend starting off by apologizing to the employer for releasing his mother’s private cell phone # to the entire world on your blog (it will only take 2 seconds to remove it). That would at least show that you are sorry for doing that. Then the ultimate would be if you apologized for violating his copyright and releasing his private code publicly. It is too late for you to continue on vWorker, but it would make me really happy if you could at least salvage your reputation. Perhaps you could go on to a competitor’s site and go on to a succesful career.

              Ian
              Your arbitration:
              http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html

              • says

                I am NOT seeing any of your comments in SPAM also. I have approved all of your Team comments (i-e From Rod smith and Ashley)
                Anyway, if you still believe that I am not approving your comments, why not use this blog as a common place to have our discussion about the risks/dangers of working with vWorker.com.
                I will start with below things,
                1. Why the workers should use Escrow of vworker.com whereas Vworker.com is asking the workers to refund the money released from Escrow?
                2. Why both Employees and Employers should waste their time on vWorker.com arbitration which is completely useless for anyone (Refer http://bit.ly/vworkersurvey for the proof gathered from many resources)
                3. Why people should pay more fees (15%) whereas other freelance sites are allowing low fees?
                4. Why people should waste their time in using affiliate system of vWorker.com which will close the account as the outcome of meaningless and time wasting arbitration?
                5. Why people should take unnecessary risks for getting displayed their private conversation on vWorker.com blog publicly?
                6. Why you want to have rating system which is unreliable? (For example, I had good ratings for around 100 projects, but still my account got closed. How the employers can believe me based on my vWorker.com ratings ?)
                7. Why Employers should waste their time and energy spent on developing their ideas to their competitors, as the frustrated unpaid vworker.com employees will obviously work on similar project for the competitors?

                So, ultimately the people (both employers and workers) are NOT having any other benefit from vworker other than just using as market place. Instead, it is creating lot of risks and wasting everyone’s time unnecessarily. So, they can easily use other lot of available good market places (e.g digitalpoint forum, sitepoint forum,) freely with more freedom instead of believing failed escrow system of vWorker.com

                And, I have many more questions. I will ask them once after I get proper reply from you for these questions first.

                • says

                  Ian,

                  I have one simple question for you.
                  You are repeatedly telling in many places that I am still keeping the buyer’s mother cell phone number in my blog post.

                  Have you ever gone thro’ my blog post (http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-map-api.html) and noticed the cell phone number?

                  I am SURE that you didn’t do it. Because I have removed it immediately after it was brought to my attention around 6 months back itself.

                  I thought of telling this fact to you in the beginning itself. But I wanted to check whether you are talking with any facts. So, I intentionally kept quiet. And, you continued to shout about cell phone number even without checking it in my blog post. i-e You are struggling to solve a problem which doesn’t exist.

                  It clearly proves that how irresponsible people you are. Even without going thro’ my post (i-e without knowing the fact) you are shouting everywhere that I am refusing to remove the private information. Your behaviour is exactly same as that of your team’s inefficient arbitration.

                  Thanks,
                  Rajamanickam
                  Note- You may check the Google Cache, if you suspect that I removed it recently.

                  • says

                    Rajamanickam Antonimuthu / Qualitypoint,

                    >>Have you ever gone thro’ my blog post (http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-map-api.html) and noticed the cell phone number?
                    I am SURE that you didn’t do it. Because I have removed it immediately after it was brought to my attention around 6 months back itself

                    I’m so happy you took a step in a positive direction by removing this confidential information from your blog. But I am equally disheartened to see that you paired this positive step by creating a new false-hood and claiming you did it a long time ago, when you didn’t.

                    I wish I could say this caught us by surprise, but unfortunately it did not. Based on your past behavior, we suspected you’d try something like this (remove it after we publicized what you’d done, but then claim you had removed it a long time ago). so we took the precaution of taking screenshots of what it looked like (so it would be preserved) and so it’s time stamp could be viewed by anyone. That is what appears on the blog posting at:
                    http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html and those images were only taken about a month ago. That would be impossible, if what you claimed is true. So I”m pleased you are taking the step of removing the phone #.

                    However, now you need to take the second step, which is to remove all the employer’s copyrighted code which you copied to that blog without his permission and apologize to him for what you did.

                    It is too late for you to come back to vWorker, but I really hope you can salvage your online reputation so you can work at one of our competitors.

                    Ian

  12. says

    Ian,
    >>why this is neither professional nor ethical conduct. If I posted your private credit card number on this blog as “sample data” on code about processing credit cards (without your permission)…how would you feel about it?

    I will just ask you to remove the credit card number from this blog, I won’t ask you to take down this blog itself. The buyer never asked me to remove the number, instead he asked to remove the post itself. If he asked to remove the number, I might have removed it immediately. He never asked to remove the number alone. Because the phone number is NOT an issue for the buyer, as everyone will understand that as sample data. Now only you people are highlighting this for trying to hide all your faults. Anyway, people will understand the truth as everyone is blaming your arbitration (Refer http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2010/10/reasons-for-avoiding-use-of-vworkercom.html )

    And, your credit card example will drive the users of vworker.com to worry about their privacy.

    And, I am going to send an email to the Buyer asking whether he really cares about the privacy of his mother’s phone number. Let me see whether he really cares about the privacy of the his phone number. If he cares, he should ask you to remove your blog post, not mine. Let me see how he reacts. And, since you partially removed the discussions in the arbitration in your blog post, it looks biased against me. So, you should add a note saying “It is edited version so it may not be neutral” at top of of post with large font size.
    If you are not doing it within tomorrow, I may publish the unedited version of arbitration details including the post messages.
    Even if you have closed my account, I have all the the messages in my gmail as I enabled the wWorker alert. I have the arbitration details and post messages also.

    Let the Employers know the risks in working with vWorker.

  13. says

    Ian,
    I am NOT sure whether you have gone thro’ the arbitrations details completely before replying for me here.

    My blog post http://qualitypoint.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-map-api.html is nothing but tutorial about Google Map API. It didn’t involve any custom code or copyrighted code. Just sample codes.

    Since I have created this post when worked for this buyer I have used the phone number which we frequently used for testing the buyer’s project. So, I have used it as sample data.

    So, nowhere copyright issue is coming here.

    And, I know about US copyrights as I worked for lot of US companies including citigroup and HP . I have clearly mentioned about these things in the arbitration.

    I couldn’t understand whether you are NOT able to find the difference between what is Google map API tutorial (with sample data including phone number explaining display of data on marker) and what is copyrighted data, or you are just trying to support your inefficient arbitrators even if you know the difference.

    And, what do you mean by saying “But, I’m at least glad you could finally admit on the blog…”?

    • says

      Rajamanickam / Qualitypoint,

      >>My blog post is nothing but tutorial about Google Map API. It didn’t involve any custom code or copyrighted code. Just sample codes.

      I wish this were true, because then you would not have lost the arbitration and not had to be banned to protect other employers from you. Unfortunately, as can be verified on the public arbitration record (http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html): only the tiniest fragments of Google sample code were posted on your blog (and that is code that is going to be in practically every Google maps project anyway, so it proves nothing either way). However, *huge swaths* of the custom code you created (supposedly exclusively) for the employer, were posted verbatim on your blog. That includes where you even copied over the employer’s mother’s cell phone number. It is really not right that you broke the employer’s trust and also disclosed that information that was entrusted to you for safekeeping.

      >>Since I have created this post when worked for this buyer I have used the phone number which we frequently used for testing the buyer’s project. So, I have used it as sample data.

      Just the fact that you don’t see what is wrong with doing that, speaks volumes, Rajamanickam, about the underlying problem here. Just put yourself in the other person’s shoes and you can understand why this is neither professional nor ethical conduct. If I posted your private credit card number on this blog as “sample data” on code about processing credit cards (without your permission)…how would you feel about it? You know the answer to these sorts of things yourself: you just need to have the tiniest bit of empathy for the other person to know what is the proper thing to do (and avoid getting into trouble).

      I’m sorry things didn’t work out with vWorker but hope you learn from it and go on to a succesful career elsewhere. I wish you better luck with one of our many competitors.

      Ian

    • says

      Rajamanickam Antonimuthu / QualityPoint,
      We conducted a thorough review of your arbitration and made it public so it can be discussed openly and publicly: http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html

      Unfortunately we verified that you did indeed violate the employer’s copyright by posting the code he paid for on your blog (and also posting his mother’s cell phone number there as well). For this reason you lost the arbitration. And since you refused to admit what you did and agree to not do it in the future, you lost your account. All of this was done correctly and as a result, it cannot be changed (even if you choose to write innaccurate things about your experience to try to influence us to). If we did that, it would be unfair to the vicitimized party, who justly won.

      But, I’m at least glad you could finally admit on the blog at http://arbitration.vworker.com/2011/02/rajamanickam-antonimuthu-alleged.html
      that you had indeed violated the employer’s copyright. Perhaps this will be the beginning of new start for you and when you work with one of our many competitors in the future you will not find yourself in this same situation. Rajamanickam / QualityPoint, I wish you better luck there.

      Ian Ippolito
      vWorker.com

      • says

        Ian, that blog is a great initiative I must say. There has been lot of talk and allegation on arbitrage process and I am sure it will help clarify lot of things.

        • says

          Thanks Shabbir! I hope it enables people to see exactly how vWorker makes decisions in arbitrations and clear up misunderstandings and misconceptions that can occur in a more closed process.

          Ian

  14. says

    I see so many bad comments from both coder and buyer, that I am going to have to step in and give my 2 cents. I have used rentacoder.com/vWorker for MANY years (ALMOST as long as they have been in business) and have done more than 100 projects with them.

    Here is what I can HONESTLY say about them.
    Arbitration
    While there were a couple arbitrations I did not like because they took soooo long (one took ALMOST 2 full months), I must say that the arbitrator acted professionally. While I may have wished he would have been speedier (as well as the coder), but he did not do anything wrong.

    What is going on? I THINK the main problem is two-fold.
    1) Buyers are getting sloppy on their projects
    2) Coders are desperate for work that they just post bids without asking any questions.

    Let me give you a PRIME example.
    http://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/misc/BidRequests/ShowBidRequest.asp?lngBidRequestId=1601901 was posted minutes ago (I am using a REAL example, so my apologies to NicoleWozny who posted this). This is a PRIME example of what is wrong with BOTH Buyers and coders.
    Take a look at it and see if you can convince yourself that this is a bad project.
    There are no details other than saying it should “look” like another site.
    1) What about logo? Who is responsible for that?
    2) While it says it should “look” like the other site, what about the technical details?
    a) Do you want an email sent to the customer when they sign up? If yes, what do you want it to say?
    b) The newsletter – there are no details. Do you want it to go out automatically with some predefined info? Will you create it? Will it be text only or html? Will there be graphics? Do you want the persons name in the newsletter? So, many questions here
    c) Sale? Do you want to add items here or have someway of putting check marks next to existing items and say “put this on sale” and it automatically create the item. Should it remove the item from the other place? Should it change the price or put a mark through it showing the price has been lowered? Do you want it to go off sale automatically after X days?
    SOOO many other questions could be asked about this “job”

    Now, it is not just the buyers fault. Since this project was just MINUTES old and there were 9 bids (I can’t see the actual bids, but I know 9 people have actually placed a monetary bid). So, as you can tell the fault goes to coders too for not taking the time to ask questions. Then people (buyers and coders) alike get upset when something goes into arbitration. BOTH people need to be more careful. Coders especially. You NEED to ask questions. I can tell you this, I will almost always select a coder who asks questions over someone who just places a bid. Because I know the one that asks questions cares about quality.

    Since I have done over 100 projects with them, I can tell you that rentacoder/vWorker is a VERY fair place to do business. However, you can’t just post junk and bid on junk. It would be nice if vWorker could hire someone to look at every project, but there are just too many projects for them to do that. So, you need to use your own judgement when bidding. Try them out and you will see that they are VERY fair.

    Yes, they do have some non-technical arbitrators, that is not a problem, because MANY problems can be handled without technical assistance. Just like when you call tech-support for something – you usually get a trainee and if they can’t solve it – then it goes to a higher level support.

    Thanks!

  15. Emmanuel T. says

    Hi Ian,
    I really feel happy after joining and bidding on vworker.com but my account have been suspended for the following reason ”I lost arbitrations on 26% of the projects that I’ve won, which is greater than (or equal to) 25% (the maximum allowed for an account that has lost 3 arbitrations)”. I would like to know if there is any possibility of having a new account. I feel very comfortable working on vworker.
    Regards,
    Emmanuel T.

    • says

      Emmanuel,

      I’m sorry to hear that things did not work out. The rules against excessive lost arbitrations exist to protect the other party (in this case employers) from a party who has a consistent history of underperforming. Under performance causes an unnecessary loss of time and money to all concerned and does not benefit anyone. The ratios have been set very generously to give people the maximum benefit of the doubt. As a result, I am sorry but once you go over the maximum # of lost arbitrations, you can no longer work on the site. There are many competitors who are not as stringent as we are, where you can continue to work. I wish you better luck with one of them.

      Ian Ippolito

  16. says

    VWorker.com gives a bad name to the tonnes of other honest online services out there. They essentially stole my money and their employees defile the very meaning of customer service. Read about what they did to me at vworker-sucks.com.

    Vikram

    • Ben Gray says

      Vikram – Like I said, a few bad apples do all the moaning.

      I suspect your experience is due to your failure to articulate your requirements and deadlines. I’ve always found arbitration on vWorker/RAC to be very fair – but you must clearly outline what is expected, by what date.

      You wouldn’t ask somebody to build a driveway, and not specify the materials, due deadline, colour, or where it goes would you?

      I’ve read your blog, and it would appear you were unable to be reached for arbitration. I also suspect there are some critical elements missing from your side of the story.

      Having now just commissioned the 80th or so project (see vWorker employer profile Ben Gray2) I can say your predicament is completely in contrast to the experience I’ve had. In most of the 80 or so projects I’ve run I’ve had delightful coders who produce exactly what is required, and often beyond. I can get work done on vWorker for $1000 that would take a team of 3 Western programmers weeks and $30,000+ to complete, plus I’d have to accomodate them and give them ongoing work. With vWorker, I can grow/shrink my team as required.

      My advice to you would be:

      1) Clearly, accuratly define your expectations and due dates
      2) Provide mockups, demonstrations, etc to aid the coder in producing what it is you are after
      3) Communicate effectively with your coder – they can’t produce goods in the dark
      4) Define what is expected in the weekly progress reports – if you had specified exactly what the weekly project report was to contain you may have won in arbitration
      5) Have a contingency plan – if you’re away from email for a long period of time, appoint somebody to alert you when an email comes in.

      and finally, since I don’t work for vWorker I can say:

      6) GROW UP – You’ve created a blog and registered a domain in Dec 2010 for something that happened in March 2010. You had the opportunity to provide your side to an independent arbitrator – you missed it. Deal with it. If you can’t adapt to change / unexpected circumstances then your business is already dead in the water.

      • says

        Ben,

        I’m very glad you’ve found our arbitration process to be fair.

        Vikram,

        I read your blog posting and while I can’t look up your actual arbitration without knowing who you truly are, there a few things that are a bit puzzling (for example: No rule exists in arbitration that says that you forfeit your money for simply not setting a deadline, and the arbitrators must follow all the rules). I suspect there is more to this situation than you are presenting online.

        However, in case I am wrong, I present to you the same opportunity I presented above. If we truly made a mistake on your arbitration then we will correct it, and I will also publicly apologize to you for any and all mistakes here on this forum.

        On the other hand, if you fairly lost the arbitration and this is a case of you deliberately spreading misleading or incorrect information (for whatever reason), then we cannot, in good conscience, change the result of your arbitration, because it would be unfair to the other party who legitimately won it.

        To begin the process, please tell me your screen name or the project Id. We will then begin by publishing every detail of your project, the work you did on it and the arbitration publicly to this board (and the entire internet) so this can be discussed transparently and openly.

        Ian Ippolito

  17. says

    James,

    We sign a legal agreement with every worker that guarantees their rights (http://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/DotNet/misc/Legal/SoftwareSellerLegal.aspx) . Due to this agreement, we cannot “cheat” workers, and more than we can “cheat” employers (because we also have an agreement with them as well, protecting them). Workers are *guaranteed* payment if they deliver:
    1) 100% to the contract
    2) On time
    3) and in the industry expected manner
    Then they will be paid. It doesn’t matter if the employer puts them into arbitration, they are still legally protected.

    You seem to have an issue with a particular arbitration that happened to you. I will extend the same offer to you that I extended above. If we truly made a mistake on your arbitration then we will correct it, and I will also publicly apologize to you for any and all mistakes here on this forum.

    On the other hand, if you fairly lost the arbitration and this is a case of you deliberately spreading misleading or incorrect information (for whatever reason), then we cannot, in good conscience, change the result of your arbitration, because it would be unfair to the other party who legitimately won it.

    To begin the process, please tell me your screen name or the project Id. We will then begin by publishing every detail of your project, the work you did on it and the arbitration publicly to this board (and the entire internet) so this can be discussed transparently and openly.

    Ian Ippolito
    Founder and CEO of vWorker

  18. James says

    vWorker and RentaCoder are fraud, they cheat coder and always try to please buyers.

    There biggest drawback is single sided arbitration, so better avoid it at any cost.

    Freelancer.com is much better choice, oDesk.com is also good.

    • says

      James,

      We sign a legal agreement with every worker that guarantees their rights (http://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/DotNet/misc/Legal/SoftwareSellerLegal.aspx) . Due to this agreement, we cannot “cheat” workers, and more than we can “cheat” employers (because we also have an agreement with them). Workers are *guaranteed* payment if they deliver:
      1) 100% to the contract
      2) On time
      3) and in the industry expected manner
      Then they will be paid. It doesn’t matter if the employer puts them into arbitration, they are still legally protected.

      You seem to have an issue with a particular arbitration that happened to you. I will extend the same offer to you that I extended above. If we truly made a mistake on your arbitration then we will correct it, and I will also publicly apologize to you for any and all mistakes here on this forum.

      On the other hand, if you fairly lost the arbitration and this is a case of you deliberately spreading misleading or incorrect information (for whatever reason), then we cannot, in good conscience, change the result of your arbitration, because it would be unfair to the other party who legitimately won it.

      To begin the process, please tell me your screen name or the project Id. We will then begin by publishing every detail of your project, the work you did on it and the arbitration publicly to this board (and the entire internet) so this can be discussed transparently and openly.

      Ian Ippolito
      Founder and CEO of vWorker

  19. Ben says

    I’d just like to put out there that, which the bad apples do all the talking, there are many satisfied RAC/vWorker customers. I’ve been using vWorker for some 50 projects spanning back several years and I’ve consistantly been very impressed with the quality of service.

    The very few cases that have gone to arbitration have always been handled fairly, to the point where I even agree with a decision against me (although we might not like it!).

    It’s an excellent website and a senstational way to get things done.

    Well done.

    • says

      Ben,
      Thank you for the kudos, and I’m delighted to hear the site has been so useful to you over the years. Your posting (where you even agree with a decision made against you), is in such stark contrast to some of the people above. If we gave them what they “wanted”, it would be at the unjust expense of other site users who have done nothing wrong. We work very hard to keep the marketplace fair, objective and safe and I’m very glad to hear you’ve found it to be that way. Thanks again.
      Ian

  20. private says

    If you’re a coder, DON’T EVER WORK WITH RAC/VWORKER.

    You will always lose the arbitrations! Michele Nisi is a HUGE idiot that has no technical knowledge whatsoever. The RULES they have in place are flawed.

    Arbitrators will always use their standard response to arbitrations : ” Oh my sorry to hear this.” and they NEVER READ ANYTHING you say in the arbitration. If you are right in your allegations THEY WON’T READ IT. They ALWAYS threaten you with closing your account instead.

    ALL THIS IS COMING from a top 500 coder that has worker on vWorker/RAC for 8 years now.

    THEY KNOW that you don’t want your account closed and they use that to scare you out of what it’s rightfully yours.

    True, I’ve had projects that went smooth. But arbitrations were always lost because of the INCOMPETENCE of Michele Nisi who has no idea how some projects work. Michele Nisi, you’re useless!

    These idiots take percentage from both BUYER and CODER. Their fee of 15% is actually more like 18%. They have HIDDEN FEES.

    I call to everyone that had similar experiences with vWorker/RAC to come forward and share their stories.

    This crap has gone on for too long!

    • says

      “Private”,

      I’m Ian Ippolito the founder and CEO of vworker. If we truly made a mistake on your arbitration then we will correct it, and I will also publicly apologize to you for any and all mistakes here on this forum.

      On the other hand, if you fairly lost the arbitration and this is a case of you deliberately spreading misleading or incorrect information (for whatever reason), then we cannot, in good conscience, change the result of your arbitration, because it would be unfair to the other party who legitimately won it.

      To begin the process, please tell me your screen name or the project Id. We will then begin by publishing every detail of your project, the work you did on it and the arbitration publicly to this board (and the entire internet) so this can be discussed transparently and openly.

      Ian Ippolito

      • says

        I was about to say exactly the same. Keeping things private does not help and this actually means he somewhere wants to be on vWorker for his freelancing business. That’s what I think.

        Great to see your such response Ian. :D

  21. says

    Hi Ian,
    I’m getting following message when I’m trying to post any bid:
    Your account is not authorized to post bids/comments on open projects.

    I’ve mailed through Feedback form but didn”t got any reply and more than 8 hours has been passed. If you can look it in soon, I will be very grateful. I’ve completed more than 1400 jobs on vWorker and buyers really need me to bid on their projects.

    My Profile link is http://www.vworker.com/RentACoder/DotNet/SoftwareCoders/ShowBioInfo.aspx?lngAuthorId=2245404&intTabSelectedId=2

    Regards,
    Puneet Jain

  22. Olivier says

    Impossible to have a correct dispute resolution with the support team. I lost big money because I wans’t behind my computer during 3 days. I’ll find another company with correct persons.

    • says

      Olivier,

      This is Ian Ippolito, the CEO of vworker. I’m sorry to hear you are unhappy with our service: specifically with the requirement that you must respond to arbitrations within 3 business days or you will forfeit.

      To give you some background, all dispute resolution and arbitration services have to impose some sort of deadline for response. If they didn’t, people would be able to drag out the dispute resoultion process for weeks, months or forever and make it impractical and unjust for the other party who is responding promptly. That would not be fair. We do warn you about this in advance multiple times (in your contract, the rules of arbitration and your arbitration notifiation emails and ‘to do’ list alert).

      Second, we also tell you in advance that if you’re going to be away for a legitimate reason we can make an exception for you. But you do actually have to notify us in advance. If we allowed people to do this without notifying in advance, then again we’d have a situation where any party could drag the arbitratio out for months, years on-end.

      If you actually did tell us about this in advance and we didn’t properly give you an extension, then I apologize and please let me know your person id and the arbitration URL and we’ll fix this. But if that wasn’t the case, then unfortunately we cannot help you. If that’s so, I’ll also add that it will be very difficult (if not impossible) for you to find a company that does not require a response from you by a certain time.

      Ian Ippolito
      Founder and CEO of vWorker

  23. says

    I like vworker – especially the new features. I also like that you dont have to pay a membership as a buyer or seller. I was able to get my iPhone app created at vWorker for $150 vs the $1800 some other firm wanted. I will be back to buy more projects.

    • says

      Hi Nick,

      Thanks so much for the compliments about vWorker. I’m delighted you saved so much money and we look forward to helping you get your projects completed.

      Ian Ippolito
      Founder and CEO of vworker

  24. Maulik says

    Hello,

    I am worker from http://www.vworker.com i feel this site is very good for freelancers and small comapny like us. We really feel happy after joining & bidding from this site. Since last some time i am getting following error when i make new bid for new new project.

    Error :

    “Your account is not authorized to post bids/comments on open projects”

    I didnt understand in above statement. I think i had followed all the guide lines of vWorker.

    Can any one please guide me on this. As i am holding certain jobs in my account and i want to finish those jobs. So i request please reply ASAP.

    Please contact me on : maulik@omshantiinfotech.com

    Appreciate your positive reply.

    Thanks,

      • says

        Maulik
        I’m glad you enjoy the site so much.
        I can’t assit you over this forum because we would have to verify your identity. But if you are having problems, please call us (facilitators are on the phone 7 days a week) or email/live chat us via the site feedback page.
        Thanks,
        Ian Ippolito
        CEO and founder of vWorker

        • Casey says

          Ian,

          I have an excellent rating on your website.
          I previously had an account, but stopped using it long ago.
          I thought it had gone away.

          I started a new account for my self, and my name is also on an account tied to a business.

          I was informed I was in breech of some part of the TOS. However, the two accounts that are active, are the only two that should be, and are tied to completely different Tax Identification Numbers.

          Why can I not post bids?

          Thank you,

          -Casey

          • says

            Casey,

            We cannot help you with this issue on this blog…please contact support so they can get your specific information (they are available 7 days a week).

            However, in order to breech the TOS you have to actually be committing fraud, and for duplicate accounts that means ratings fraud. For example, if you lost arbitrations on account #1 and created account #2, then every job you won on account #2 you won at the expense of a good worker who followed the rules and did not cheat. Also every employer who hired you on account #2 would have been deceived as to your true record, and may not have hired you had they known. For this reason duplicate account fraud does result in all accounts being closed, as it’s unfair to the other workers on the site who follow the rules and also unfair to the employers who are deceived into picking something they would not have.

            Ian

            • Casey says

              Ian,

              Thank you, I suppose it is a good thing I have a perfect rating on my personal account then.

              However, it still does not explain the situation. So I will contact Customer support. I had previously had communication with one:

              ZoeEdgington (vWorker)
              Exhedra Solutions, Inc.
              vWorker.com Content Manager

              “We discovered that you have duplicate/multiple accounts on the site therefore your account will be terminated.”

              Thank you again for having taken the time to respond. I enjoy the site and would prefer to continue doing business there.

              Regards,
              Casey

              • says

                Casey,

                Well, that is half of what is needed. Like I described earlier, if you have non-bad ratings (rated more than a 3 out of 10) on all your ratings on your duplicate account, then you are fine. But if you have bad ratings (rated 3 or less out of 10) then you did commit fraud (against the employers who picked you without knowing your true record and against the other good workers who did not cheat and who did not get jobs because of your actions). If that is the situation then we need to protect their rights by exercising the contract and closing both accounts.

                Zoe can assist you with more information, either way.

                Ian Ippolito

                • Casey says

                  Ian,

                  I appreciate all your prompt responses. (And I appreciate you Shabbir for allow me to have this dialog with Ian on your forum.)

                  I have only two accounts which I have authorized. I informed Zoe which two those are. All other are not authorized by myself.

                  But of course, if it is not fixed I will be forced to migrate to Freelancer.com. Which would be a shame given the individuals I have been able to assist on vWorker. Generally, a higher quality of buyer. But we in the business world must do what we must.

                  Thank you again for you responses it goes far in demonstrating your resolve to see these issues resolved.

                  Regards,
                  -Casey B. Cessnun
                  Owner/CEO
                  Caseware Computer Systems, LLC

                  • says

                    Okay, so now you are saying we are talking about more than 2 accounts, and apparently there are more.

                    If you really had nothing to do with those other accounts, then you have nothing to worry about with them.

                    On the other hand, if you did, then we must protect our site users from fraud and will close all the accounts. Practically every fraudster denies the duplicate accounts is theirs, so that is why we have a very sophisticated fraud detection software. It can not only identify down to the device level, but also does sophisticated behavioral analysis, etc..

                    Please get with Zoe and she will lookup your account and determine which of these you are, and you can take things from there.

                    Ian

  25. Mitch says

    This is crap..! Now I have to wait for arbitration and contact from a worker that has not responded to my acceptance of his bid…and now you want me to wait for someone that has not resp[onded to NOW RESPOND????????? See the review below…it is not my review…but my review will say the exact same thing…this site sucks for fixing problems…and I will never use this site again….!!!!!!!!

    My review!

    vWorker/Rent A Coder just plain sucks! I have twice tried to use them…the first project got done, but again with much hassle. My second project is a 1-2 day small project that has taken a MONTH…just to get it in place. I have paid twice, been refunded twice, because the first PayPal account was not a ‘verified’ account. I then used a verified PayPal account, and they still refused the payment. I then called and they took and processed the SAME credit card that they refused the previous two times. The worker whose bid I accepted has moved on because of vWorker’s delaying the project/escrow of my payment. Now they insist that I close the project and put it into arbitration (which means they are keeping my funds..!) and I have to wait for the wroker to respond before the funds are refunded. Well he hasn’t responded to the bid and for doing the work…and now I have to wait for the NON-RESPONDING worker to respond(???) before they will refund the money. This site is the worst free-lancer site I have ever used…!…Please save yourself a big headache…use oDesk or eLance…before you will consider vWorker/Rent-A-Coder…

    other reviews…below

    _________________________________________________________

    http://secretmarketingsuccess.com/blog/geo-arbitrage/vworker-reviews-what-others-are-saying/

    RentACoder, or now known as, vWorker has been a good market place for both employers and workers looking for low-end jobs done. For employers, this is more cost effective as vWorker is usually known for cheap rates. This attracts a lot of employers to the site, but there is an issue related low quality. After all, you get what you pay for!

    From recent, vWorker is losing its reputation. Since vWorker facilitators are the ultimate decision makers, employers and workers are going through a lot of issues. Most of vWorker facilitators are got hearted and some are straightly from hell! The upper management of vWorker might not know any thing about this!

    • says

      Mitch,

      This is Ian Ippolito, the CEO of vworker.

      I understand your frustration with submitting payment, and I sympathize with you not getting the money to your worker on time. There are some things you can do to avoid that situation entirely, but first,
      please do understand that as a responsible business, we have to get the money into the escrow before we can notify the worker that the money is there.

      To get us that meony, you can pay us in many different ways. For instance, if you choose a very secure method such as a wire, it is credited instantly. If you choose a less secure payment method such as PayPal that can take the money away from us at any time (as I’m sure you’re well aware of from sites like http://www.paypalsucks.com/), there are additional security checks that have to be done. We have to do these to maintain the safety of the escrow system. We did warn you when you selected PayPal what we would require and said that if you didn’t want to do it, we recommended switching to another method.

      Regarding your refund of escrow…it sounds like you did get payment to your worker, for which I am glad. You are wanting us to just return the money back to you from escrow without checking with the other party first. Again this is a safety and responsbility issue. This also protects you: without it, a worker could claim “give me all the money becuase the employer said I could have it” and if we didn’t verify that, you would lose all your money. We have to verify with the other party to keep the escrow safe and secure.

      I hope the above makes sense. But if not (or you still have questions about the site), we have facilitators who can talk with you on the phone 7 days a week as well as email and live chat.

      Ian Ippolito
      Founder and CEO of vworker

  26. Onegrezonata says

    Shabir, looks like you are missing the point.

    For me, it was RentACode did all justice. After they became vWorker, it appears that ethics of the staff have also been changed negatively. Of course, most of the issues the staff having with the employers and workers are not known by Ian.

    Do you know how many worker account have been terminated as a decision of one facilitator? There are a lot of employers who have moved out from RAC to other sites due to the funny behaviors of facilitators. I think Ian should make more effort in making his vision a reality.

    The funny thing is, facilitators are the final decision makers and no one (including the employers and workers who have been there for years) can escalate these to a higher authority like Ian. Unfortunately, other similar sites are at advantage due to such RAC facilitators.

    • says

      I have not interacted with RAC facilitator but I am sure your comment is read by few facilitators here because they are around here commenting on lots of things.

      If you want to escalate to Ian you can find Ian on facebook and email or message him.

      • says

        Hello, Onegrezonata,

        This is Ian Ippolito, the CEO of vworker. I’m sorry to hear you are unhappy with our service.

        First I think when you say “facilitators” I think you really mean “arbirtrators” (because facilitators help people with customer service issues and don’t make decisions). Arbitrators on the other hand do.

        Second, you’re accusing a particular arbitrator of a problem with lots of people, and I could be completely wrong, but I strongly suspect that behind this statement is a dissastifaction and unhappiness with a particular decision that an arbitrator made regarding yourself in an arbitration. Did an arbitration occur where you were unhappy with the results? If so, then please do realize that the arbitrators are human and if they truly made a mistake it will be fixed. Please let me know what your userid is on the site and the project id and we will investigate.

        However, at the same time I must also warn you that if this was not a mistake, and you lost the abrbitratoin fair-and-square and you are trying to take “revenge” through alternate means, then it would not be fair to us to allow you to post inaccurate information about it, without countering with the truth. When people do this, we post the entire arbitration record for the entire world to see. This can sometimes be very embarassing for the person when the information they’ve stated was grossly inaccurate, so I just wanted to warn you in case this applies to you.

        If that’s not you, then to have this investigated, please either phone the above information in, or email/live chat with us using the site feedback page. Thanks.

        Ian Ippolito
        Founder and CEO of vWorker

  27. says

    Shabbir, I'm glad you like the changes we made over at vWorker. The additions to come that you quoted are keeping us busy; so keep an eye out for them.

    Thanks for engaging in the dialog (that you linked to) with my colleague Nicole. It's nice to see discerning freelancers holding open conversation, especially when everyone begins from a different point of view and is open to talking it out.

    Good luck with your continued freelancing success and blog!

    Dawn Ippolito
    vWorker.com

    • says

      Comments are closed for everyone. Yes I know there would have been last say by many but this is all I could do stop the argument. It is not leading to anything fruitful or to a solution. This is my personal blog after all and in my opinion Ian Ippolito (Owner of vWorker) stood this long to clarify things speaks for itself.